34 - Sailing the Digital Pi-rating Seas!

This episode dives deep into the messy, gray-area world of piracy, digital morality, and how we actually consume media today. We’re not just asking “is piracy wrong?”—we’re breaking down why people do it, who it really affects, and whether the system itself kind of pushes people toward it.

We get into real stories—from downloading music back in the Napster days to modern streaming workarounds—and how the mindset around piracy has shifted. What used to feel rebellious now sometimes feels… practical. When everything is split across platforms like Netflix, Disney+, and Spotify, are people stealing—or just trying to keep up?

There’s a real conversation around economic reality too—subscription fatigue, rising costs, and how access to entertainment is starting to feel like a luxury instead of a norm. We question whether piracy is sometimes less about greed and more about accessibility.

At the same time, we don’t let it off the hook. We talk about the ripple effects—lost revenue, impact on indie creators, and how normalized piracy can quietly damage the very industries people claim to love.

By the end, it’s less about drawing a hard line and more about sitting in the uncomfortable middle:
Piracy isn’t black and white—it’s a reflection of how technology, money, and culture collide in real time.

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Transcript

Jeremy (00:00.046)
Keller, I just noticed you changed your display name to Massa.

Mike (00:04.494)
Ha ha ha ha!

Keller (00:07.313)
No, no I didn't.

Rico (00:09.876)
Yeah, I saw that too and I was trying not to see that. That was very alarming if you ask me. I don't know exactly.

Mike (00:13.934)
Ha ha.

Keller (00:19.104)
It's a it's a brand of tortilla.

Rico (00:23.361)
he's here.

Rico (00:27.66)
you

Jeremy (00:29.55)
Boy, man.

you

Keller (00:43.758)
My kids were literally supposed to be named Batman and RoboCop. And Batman was my girl, so.

Mike (00:51.47)
What? I don't want to know.

Jeremy (00:55.616)
I can't believe she didn't let you name them that.

Keller (00:58.466)
I know, that's fucked up.

Mike (01:00.291)
Did you illegally download Batman?

Keller (01:04.558)
No, because he would find me and he would hurt me.

Mike (01:08.216)
Probably would. Where are the drugs going? Where did she the drugs?

Keller (01:16.684)
stole this from Dora.

Mike (01:18.446)
I'm take you back to Target.

Rico (01:21.39)
If Batman was in the neighborhoods I was in, he would get lot of pirators. Call them bootleggers. Yeah.

Jeremy (01:29.678)
Rico, I remember you used to get your haircut at that one barber shop and you would also pick up the freshest bootlegs from that motherfucker.

Rico (01:39.822)
Definitely. Place was on Raleigh Street. Go in and he in the back he would have like the movies playing and it was like he had like three TVs and he had always the freshest movies playing and the freshest porn too. Check it out. He had like, yeah, he was, I'm talking about anything you needed.

Mike (02:02.254)
How do you know what the freshest port is, first of all?

Keller (02:06.39)
Does it give you a haircut on top and bottom?

Jeremy (02:11.288)
There's the smell of the CD case.

Rico (02:14.414)
It was more of a choir. Everybody was coming to him. He was the one to go to.

Mike (02:22.318)
was coming.

Rico (02:25.206)
Ha ha ha ha

Jeremy (02:25.934)
Not Rico, he has erectile dysfunction

Rico (02:30.689)
I you they're confident.

Mike (02:32.344)
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Keller (02:35.438)
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Mike (02:37.826)
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Rico (02:38.455)
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Keller (02:48.512)
It tastes just like banana

Rico (02:50.082)
I even need it to get up, I just want Blue Bell ice cream.

Jeremy (02:53.614)
tastes just like a hard old fucking cock. Season two throwback.

Mike (02:58.158)
I think that might be season one, actually.

Jeremy (03:00.398)
man, it's been a long road guys. is our what? 32nd episode. Did I get that right?

Keller (03:11.658)
I don't know.

Jeremy (03:12.802)
Nah, was fuckin'.

Rico (03:14.146)
Congratulations, breadheads.

Jeremy (03:16.046)
Piracy is a fun thing. There's a lot of lot of moralities and legalities and different ways and different medias.

Mike (03:27.374)
We're talking digital morality.

Jeremy (03:29.102)
Exactly. We've moved away from burnt CDs in the back of a fucking orange blossom trail ass barbershop with porn TVs and sticky floors. We're talking about just hitting down, through a VPN.

Mike (03:42.368)
they were sticky.

Rico (03:44.142)
Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure. Definitely. I tell you the first, I was the first, well, he was the first to have him Kardashian and Ray J sex tape. He was the first one to have it on the streets.

Keller (03:46.03)
That was an oil on those clippers.

Jeremy (03:51.638)
A glory hole?

Keller (03:58.032)
He would probably filmed it.

Rico (04:00.192)
and the Paris Hilton one too. He had that one too.

Mike (04:03.18)
One night in Paris.

Rico (04:05.095)
man, I'm surprised they named it that. That's crazy.

Mike (04:09.258)
Sad I know that.

Rico (04:11.822)
Don't be ashamed.

Jeremy (04:15.116)
We've all been there.

Mike (04:16.632)
bringing it back to the top. Like what is digital morality? Like what is stealing? Like is copying the same as stealing is, know, Keller and I grew up in the mixtape era where, you know, we, you know, I don't know, I'm pretty sure you did it Keller, but we copied songs off the radio onto cassette tapes.

Jeremy (04:39.854)
Well shit, I was poor I did that too

Keller (04:42.538)
Yeah. And I had a stereo where I could fade it out and fade in a new song. I skipped all commercial.

Mike (04:47.909)
shit.

Rico (04:48.628)
Wow, that was fancy.

Mike (04:50.766)
And I'm the one with the trust fund.

Keller (04:55.598)
Well, I also at that time lived in a one-bedroom studio apartment with five other people

Jeremy (05:02.958)
When it comes to music, I don't think it hurts at all. I do not feel necessarily morally conflicted. As a musician that's never gotten anywhere in life, I would be thrilled if people were willing to steal my songs to listen to them.

Mike (05:17.742)
Put yourself in the successful person's shoes.

Jeremy (05:20.47)
Well, look at it, you got to understand too. Now everything is streaming. So it's a little different. They get fractions of pennies per stream. They do not make their money off of that.

Rico (05:34.274)
Yeah, Turing is how they do it.

Jeremy (05:35.992)
They make their money on touring and merchandise, and if I like a band enough, I will buy their album.

Keller (05:42.754)
Well, that's what I just saw too, like a clip from J Cole, the rapper where he was actually selling CDs out of his trunk for a dollar, a dollar a CD, because he was like, that's what I make streaming anyways per 400 people or whatever. That's crazy. Or one dollar per 400 downloads or something like that. Or it could have been more.

Jeremy (06:05.87)
attract the fans, sell them your stuff.

Mike (06:08.662)
mean, at the end of the day, though, it's still illegal.

the music or whatever you're pirating. In Enrico's case, porn.

Rico (06:21.134)
I'm pretty sure they're okay with it at that time because how else was it getting out? The internet wasn't booming at that time. It was booming. It was growing, but it wasn't like, you it was still dial up. you know.

Mike (06:34.24)
Sure,

Keller (06:37.23)
There's a whole cause and effect thing though too. This has made them tour more, which people enjoy to go see people in concerts. And that's how they make their money now.

Jeremy (06:47.002)
Well, the other thing is, Vinyl's have come back. They're incredibly popular again, and a lot of bands and artists will actually release their album on vinyl just for

Mike (06:59.906)
We release it, yeah. But is it the band itself or is it the recording company doing it and getting that money? I don't know.

Jeremy (07:11.212)
That would depend.

Keller (07:14.03)
It just depends on your contract.

Mike (07:15.928)
But staying more on topic, is piracy actually theft? mean, yes, it's illegal,

Rico (07:23.436)
This isn't

Mike (07:28.108)
hehe

Jeremy (07:29.548)
Technically, yeah, it's theft. You were stealing something.

Mike (07:34.062)
I mean,

Jeremy (07:35.676)
Can I go to sleep at night? Yeah. Fuck yeah!

Mike (07:39.882)
I think it does hurt that smaller artist, that smaller independent artist that's trying to get recognized and known. I think that's where the advent of YouTube and the streaming companies, Apple Music, Spotify, who host our podcast. Sorry, Spotify. Yeah, sorry.

Jeremy (07:59.993)
yeah, sorry, by the way.

Rico (08:04.302)
NNNN

Jeremy (08:06.082)
I mean it.

Mike (08:07.064)
bring this. Well, we were talking more of in the now anyway, you we could talk about the history and all that, you know, that thing is we all pirated music back.

Keller (08:07.916)
Just a Napster.

Keller (08:22.562)
I don't think you would meet somebody who hasn't done it.

Mike (08:27.062)
That's 30 years older, 30 years age or older.

Rico (08:33.857)
You got a whole CD full of Rilt music.

Jeremy (08:38.85)
Now, here's the other side of it though, not just music. What about hell, Adobe or logic, different dows, different programs, not just music.

Rico (08:53.806)
I had a Fruit Loop cracked version and I didn't care for it too much. I don't like cracked versions of anything.

Mike (09:03.118)
Well, that's where you really jab the knife into my side because I have a bone to pick with Adobe. Because I'm an Adobe user. We use Adobe to work and publish this very show. the fact that they have taken all of their software to a subscription level,

really bothers the living fucking shit out of me.

Rico (09:36.888)
Preach it, Mike.

Jeremy (09:38.126)
Yeah, he dropped an F bomb, he's serious.

Mike (09:40.366)
I've been an Adobe user since 1998, back when I was in high school. And I didn't own it at the time, my high school owned the software at the time. up until about five years ago, I guess now, you could purchase independently every Adobe software, whether it was Photoshop or Premiere or Audition, you could...

download the software to your computer and it was yours and you owned it and you would update it as needed until it ran to end of life. Adobe Creative Suite, I was going through all my CDs the other day, we're talking about doing the show. I was going through all my CDs the other day in my big old CD case and I found Adobe Creative Suite 3, which came out in like 2005.

And that is the hard software of the creative suite, Photoshop, Illustrator, Acrobat. I could still download that to my computer today. It would be out of date and end of life and not supported, but I could still use it. Now, Adobe has forced me slash us as a show to download or to use their subscription level for this software. And I think that is

incredibly wrong because now I'm paying monthly for something that I would have paid about $600 for back in 2005, which was a lot of money. Don't get me wrong, but I'm paying $70 a month now. That's $800 a year.

Keller (11:28.3)
yourself in the shoes of the CEO. Wouldn't you want a bigger bonus at the end of the year? Don't you want it to be five million instead of one million?

Mike (11:37.278)
Yeah, well, I understand capitalism and I get that.

Rico (11:41.326)
Does that make you, Mike, does that make you, because they did that, that make you feel morally okay with still in their shit?

Keller (11:48.43)
That just brings in room for competitors, right?

Mike (11:52.998)
That's the first thing I did is I went and looked and see what I could go get besides using Adobe.

Jeremy (11:58.734)
You hear that Adobe, you fucking up.

Mike (12:00.858)
I'm, I've really, it really dug that knife into my side. Cause I'm like, I've been almost, I've been using this software almost 30 years. Cause it is by far the best for, for creators out there. It's by far the best for graphic design, et cetera. So yeah. So, well, yeah. Cause you know, you've got these people locked in.

Rico (12:19.15)
And that's where they could go up, their press like that.

Jeremy (12:26.028)
You know, on the other side of that coin, had a product that I really, I'm not going to name names because I still use it to this date and I don't want them to come after me. I really needed the software. So I downloaded a cracked version of unnamed software and I used it for years because it was that vital to some of the stuff I did.

And I always felt bad because they were supportive. You can find tutorials right on their webpage. I mean, they were a great company. And I swore to myself that because of the experience I had, once I was able to get a little bit of extra money, I would make it right and finally purchase it. And I've done that. And I've continued to renew and everything else just because of the level of support and because I had stolen their shit for so long.

you

Rico (13:25.454)
You're morally conflicted. was like, you know what?

Jeremy (13:30.456)
But it's not like Microsoft 365 that they've got nowadays. You used to be able to just download the latest version of Microsoft and you were good, but now they outphase it so fucking quickly that you might as well subscribe because they'll come out with a new version next month and yours is out of date and doesn't work.

Mike (13:49.05)
Yeah, it fragments things. It fragments the usage of it.

So it's, know, people have subscription fatigue. It's what it winds up being. You know, you've got your Netflix, Hulu, Disney Plus, Prime, you know, how many, how all of us have that stuff,

Jeremy (14:13.134)
It's fucking worse. It's so much worse. Now if you buy a new car from Toyota, for example, yeah, you have to subscribe to their radio subscription just to use your own fucking radio that works in the car already. It's all physically there. You've bought the goddamn car, but now you got to subscribe to use your own radio. When the fuck is it going to stop?

Mike (14:20.128)
I've heard

Mike (14:38.35)
What were you going say Keller?

Keller (14:41.025)
I don't remember.

Jeremy (14:42.98)
he said that's cable for you.

Keller (14:45.332)
with the, that was supposed to be the answer to cable cutting the cord with all the subscriptions. And now there's so many subscriptions. That's more than cable. Sure. And I actually did jailbreak a fire stick and was using that until I got a cease and a assist letter from Disney.

Mike (15:05.56)
You got one really?

Keller (15:07.03)
Yeah. I didn't know you were supposed to have a VPN on top of that. Yeah. But now I pay for everything. So check it out, Disney. I'm paying for your shit.

Mike (15:11.384)
Yeah.

Jeremy (15:18.286)
I got one from Comcast one time.

Keller (15:22.454)
Even though I only watched Disney Plus like once every three months, I don't know.

Mike (15:29.102)
Here's one for you.

Did you guys do any college level classes or anything? Do you know how expensive those textbooks are? Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like three, four, $500 a book. Yeah. It's insane.

Keller (15:49.422)
You just go to the library by amused.

Mike (15:51.576)
paper.

Jeremy (15:58.166)
A lot of times too they'd release newer versions the next year and that's what you were required to get so good luck finding used.

Mike (16:05.038)
Right. Well, that became a thing when I was in college to download the book online by pirating it. So one person would get the book and everybody would put, you know, $5 in and we would get the book digitally. Yeah. Yeah. And that's, and it's still a thing. It's still a thing where I've heard that these books are still that price or even more.

Rico (16:24.067)
That's

Keller (16:34.37)
think, well, out of all the examples made today, I think that one's probably the one that shouldn't count as a crime. You're trying to get an education and you shouldn't have to pay god awful amounts for a book.

Mike (16:46.115)
Yeah.

Rico (16:46.572)
peeing God awful amounts of the class. So it really seems like when it comes to money, it's perfectly fine. Morally, I'm all right with stealing some shit if it's too much.

Mike (17:03.502)
But you're right, it comes back to that economic inequality. What's the difference if I'm going to a community college versus Harvard? And why am I paying a ridiculous amount of money for these books that I can exactly go to the library and usually find them? It's insane.

Jeremy (17:32.43)
Everything's a scam and we're a money farm for the rich.

Mike (17:35.276)
And that, but that, so that comes back to, you know, kind of a morality versus legality thing. It's like, is it, we know it's illegal, but it doesn't, it doesn't feel wrong to do it.

Jeremy (17:51.81)
they're so fucking smart and they're a college then they can go take a course on better cybersecurity and prevent that shit.

Keller (17:59.49)
They could come back and also say if everyone purchased it instead of people stealing it, then the prices could be lower.

Rico (18:07.5)
never works

Mike (18:08.814)
Yeah, capitalist economy, that would never come to that. I agree with the sentiment, Keller, I do. But in a capitalist economy, when was the last time something went down in price?

Keller (18:27.666)
Let me think. Dollar Tree went up 25 cents.

Mike (18:32.93)
Nothing. Nothing. That brings, that kind of brings me to the next point. You know, there's a, there's a generational difference.

Jeremy (18:41.774)
I just noticed you changed your display name to Masa.

Mike (18:47.02)
Ha

Keller (18:48.624)
No, no, didn't.

Rico (18:51.2)
Yeah, I saw that too and I was trying not to see that. That was That was very alarming if you ask me. I don't know exactly...

Keller (19:00.416)
It's a brand of tortilla.

Rico (19:04.536)
How do you say it?

Keller (19:06.786)
Massa.

Jeremy (19:08.01)
Rico, know you wanna go after him, okay?

Mike (19:10.67)
was going to say that brings us into a good point of the darkest corner with Rico Savage.

Jeremy (19:16.054)
Rico, he's protected by North Carolina. I'll have to smuggle you in.

Keller (19:20.334)
protect the daylight.

Jeremy (19:26.702)
Hit it in my boat. Sorry. Sorry.

Rico (19:30.936)
Wait, we on the east coast? gotta go to... Anyways.

Mike (19:35.82)
I am the Captain now.

Keller (19:39.256)
you get.

Rico (19:40.686)
I have the darkest corner.

Rico (19:47.468)
I have a grant for no ideas in Hollywood. Like they're making everything live action. Like I was just sitting there, they're making everything live. And we call it live action because it's getting from a cartoon perspective to a regular perspective. And they just call it live. It's just a movie or it's TV series. It's just live action of that, but they have no new ideas.

Mike (20:15.0)
like

Jeremy (20:15.285)
CGI

Rico (20:16.224)
CGI is, my God, it's crazy. they renewed them for one piece on Netflix. Netflix is doing it too, it's Netflix. Netflix is taking over the world. Jesus Christ, it's bigger than Blockbuster ever was, Jesus.

Mike (20:34.722)
they're looking at buying Warner Brothers, I think.

Jeremy (20:38.158)
But he

Rico (20:39.16)
They did for a billion dollars, something like that. They are on, but they're not coming out with nothing like good. just have, I'm going take this and I'm going go ahead and make it into a series that way. And then don't get me started on the subscriptions because Hollywood and everybody's finding a way to get money about you. It's just cable all over again. I don't like it.

Jeremy (20:48.238)
recycle bullshit

Jeremy (21:09.198)
It's like, especially the big D word, that company. took the Lion King and they made that. Those lions, it's like live action and the lions, can't even see their dicks. They don't exist. It's just belly. They're still cartoon lions.

Rico (21:19.182)
Mike (21:27.68)
Hahaha!

Rico (21:32.194)
Yeah, it's crazy. And I was thinking what's solution for that? What's the solution?

Keller (21:37.552)
Add dicks to the lions, obviously.

Rico (21:40.482)
Definitely.

Mike (21:41.23)
Cover.

Rico (21:44.012)
What's the solution for no ideas in Hollywood? Because if you think about it, that leads us to why we pirate movies. Think about it from the movie side.

Jeremy (21:56.54)
Why we do what? Pirate.

Rico (21:58.254)
Why why we used to the pirate yeah

Mike (22:03.274)
I think that's a kitchen dish company, the pirate company.

Jeremy (22:07.758)
I thought that was Pyrex.

Mike (22:10.424)
Yeah, no shit Sherlock,

Keller (22:14.222)
Rico, how do you feel about Disney making the Little Mermaid into a black woman?

Rico (22:23.36)
I didn't have a big problem with it.

Keller (22:26.573)
No.

Jeremy (22:27.436)
care because you don't like the little mermaid.

Rico (22:31.534)
I think what we're trying to do is try to appease an audience. Nobody ever acts. Nobody, you never heard nobody say, man, I wish Ariel was black. You never heard that. you know what saying? Like, instead of giving us our 40 acres, they said, you know what we're going to make? Ariel, black, we got your back.

Mike (22:40.686)
It doesn't bop

Mike (22:49.038)
Nobody actually has shit.

Mike (22:55.566)
It's true, it's true.

Rico (22:58.05)
Nobody, you've never heard this shit before.

Jeremy (23:00.86)
We want police to stop murdering us. We don't want a black mermaid.

Keller (23:05.23)
Did it make you happy though that a lot of white people were upset about it?

Rico (23:11.978)
It didn't make me happy. I was actually kind of upset because I was like, God damn.

Mike (23:16.43)
was kind of happy about it actually.

Rico (23:18.31)
Why? It's just like you can't win for losers. You get mad because when the cartoon was there, she was white, but the crowd was obviously Jamaican. Obviously. But now we're mad because she's black and the flounder is white. You do it. You can tell.

Keller (23:21.006)
You

Jeremy (23:31.374)
You

Keller (23:38.382)
Now next question if they reverse the roles and they made a black character white would that upset you?

Rico (23:46.678)
It depends on who the character was. If it was Blade, yes, I'd get upset. You got a white Blade running around here, we fighting. You hear that?

Mike (23:57.056)
That just bleed.

Keller (23:58.99)
You know it's gonna be John Cena. He's an everything.

Mike (24:02.35)
you

Rico (24:02.766)
It depends on who they swap it with because see if they swap it with like Johnny Depp, let me see where it goes. Let me see where it goes. Sorry. But yeah, it depends on who the actor and what they're switching, but it wouldn't change nothing. I don't get upset about those no more. Denzel, maybe. They're trying to remake Training Day. Yeah.

Jeremy (24:20.386)
We got other problems.

Mike (24:24.398)
You can't know. You can't.

Are you serious?

Rico (24:30.04)
Yeah, I've said it somewhere. don't know if they might, you know how they had to do the homage movie.

Mike (24:35.8)
Tom Fursuit

Keller (24:38.606)
He doesn't even have a car, he just runs through the whole movie.

Mike (24:41.71)
I'm sorry, but you cannot replace Denzel with anybody in any of his movies. I'm sorry. I will go to bat. will go change my ethnicity on my birth certificate, the black, if that happens. Because no way in hell they are changing Denzel out of-

Jeremy (24:44.078)
You

Jeremy (25:10.254)
any those movies.

Mike (25:13.238)
No way in hell they're going to change Denzel.

Jeremy (25:16.622)
What if they changed Denzel with a black mermaid?

Keller (25:20.878)
I'm for it. I'm all for it.

about time that mermaids get their shine. They've been under the current for too long.

Rico (25:32.974)
They're under the sea, under the sea.

Keller (25:37.006)
Thank you. That was the joke. I'm glad you got it.

Mike (25:42.04)
my god.

Rico (25:42.604)
But that's why I, if we're asking pirating or taking, doing it from the film side for the movies, I used to feel bad, but then I realized how much these people, they get paid upfront anyway. So it's really like, you know, the actors and actresses, they get paid upfront. So it's kind of like justified. Like you got your money, you know, I just want to see the movie. I was the first one with America Gangster too.

Mike (26:09.746)
That comes back honestly to the psychology of piracy. It's like nobody feels like there's a victim. There's no victim in sight. No, no, you've distanced yourself from consequences and guilt and there's no victim here. Everybody does it quote unquote.

Rico (26:21.326)
computer maybe.

Jeremy (26:35.992)
the sight out of mind.

Mike (26:38.722)
Yeah, but.

Jeremy (26:40.398)
At the same time, sometimes I pirate shit because I know there is a victim.

Keller (26:44.952)
Cause there is a big.

Rico (26:46.824)
Who will be the victim?

Jeremy (26:48.642)
because I want to steal from them.

Rico (26:51.106)
But who's the victim?

Jeremy (26:52.864)
Walmart sees me coming.

Rico (26:55.512)
goes back to my first, that's, that is pirating. It's thief, it's that.

Jeremy (27:02.582)
Remember when we met as children, we were both trying to steal the same bike.

Rico (27:07.918)
No, you want to tell that story, that Family Dollar story will always trump everything else. We got banned from Family Dollar. Trying to steal some deodorant. And it was the one that I always went to, so I couldn't get banned. I was like, I cannot get banned because my grandma would have to just send me up here in like 10 minutes anyway. And we sat here, I had to go back and we did this whole, it was a whole thing to prove that we didn't steal nothing, but we did.

Mike (27:18.025)
And...

Rico (27:37.784)
Just so I didn't get banned, because the lady was always there.

Jeremy (27:41.46)
cause Rico's tired of stinking.

Rico (27:45.262)
Couldn't afford to take a shower, so.

Keller (27:47.47)
Did you have your right guard up?

Jeremy (27:51.854)
What did Axe body spray?

Rico (27:55.278)
Yeah, it was Axe body spray. couldn't, we tried to, I don't know what the fuck we did wrong.

Keller (28:00.664)
you with that.

Jeremy (28:01.652)
Shout out to TrippPants.

Rico (28:04.236)
So none of us have a zyde-

Jeremy (28:06.35)
No, Chris had a pair of trip pants, my brother, and they had giant pockets and they were real baggy and he would just walk by and drop shit in them.

Keller (28:18.305)
Thank you.

Mike (28:19.838)
Yeah. That was, that was our, that was our, it's

Keller (28:23.374)
Two liters of soda in there. Whatever you want. Really? Yep. As far as theft goes, I've felt like I've never stole a whole lot of things in my life from anywhere, but I always felt like you can't steal from actual people that you like know in the world. But if you're going to steal something from a, it seems more acceptable from a store. That's how I always felt.

Jeremy (28:51.583)
and they got insurance to cover losses.

Keller (28:53.728)
Yeah, I stole a John Wayne painting out of a Mexican restaurant while I was eating food because he didn't belong there.

Mike (29:01.592)
Yes!

Jeremy (29:02.005)
Wait, what?

Keller (29:05.486)
I went to a restaurant, me and my brother, and we were eating some Mexican food. was like, I looked up and John Wayne was sitting there on the wall and I was like, he doesn't fucking belong here. And he's like, you know what? You're right. I was like, let's get him the fuck out here. And we stole him off the wall and ran to the bus because we rode the bus there. And hopped on the bus with John Wayne. We took him home, hung him on the wall and put a fake mustache on him.

Mike (29:31.134)
There's no way this is a true story.

Keller (29:34.581)
This is a true story.

Mike (29:36.686)
You

Jeremy (29:37.198)
Do you have a picture of John Wayne? you have a picture? We need a picture.

Keller (29:39.778)
Brother Price still has a-

Mike (29:43.274)
sure to put on the on our social media. You need to get your brother to send you a screenshot or something.

Keller (29:50.542)
He still has them. If not, he probably doesn't have a picture of them. We always put a fake mustache on top of them. So he has like an extra thick mustache.

Rico (30:01.4)
Seven paintings?

Mike (30:04.194)
Yeah.

Keller (30:06.286)
It was... I was liberating him. He didn't belong in the next universe, so...

Jeremy (30:12.302)
Stealing from minorities.

Rico (30:17.07)
Classic.

Jeremy (30:19.502)
Classic white people.

Rico (30:21.752)
about stealing my brother, Guy Ress is sold. He stole from every member of the family. Every member. When I say every member, even the grandbabies, he stole, I'm talking about from my grandma's car, he stole that, he stole his mom's car. He stole my PlayStation 2 that I had Kingdom Hearts in. Twice! Twice.

Mike (30:47.342)
Yeah.

Keller (30:47.789)
Rick?

Rico (30:49.16)
Yeah, yeah, was a habitual crackhead. But he stole my PlayStation 2 twice with the same game in it. Six months apart.

Jeremy (31:00.952)
Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, but you can't fool me again.

Rico (31:11.0)
So you get pirated everywhere. He pirated the heck out of the family. We still love him, but God.

Mike (31:16.712)
Can we pause for a moment and just recognize the pirated is now the new Armageddon?

Jeremy (31:25.441)
Armageddon

Keller (31:26.786)
Yeah.

Rico (31:29.294)
I think that was the last movie to not get pirated was Armageddon.

Keller (31:34.525)
Hehehehehe

Mike (31:35.67)
Pirated! Pirated!

Keller (31:40.462)
They were raided

Mike (31:43.708)
Hahaha!

Rico (31:46.026)
I'm a pyro tech- no that's the wrong word. But yeah okay sorry.

Mike (31:50.03)
Well, I think we should send this over to everybody listening to the show. Have you ever pirated something and felt no guilt? Does piracy hurt billion dollar corporations? Let us know in the comments. Send us what you think. Piracy is a moral issue or is it just a business model platform?

Jeremy (32:12.398)
Tell the big guys you don't give a fuck and steal their shit.

Mike (32:15.374)
That's right.

Rico (32:16.226)
Technically the government is pirating information from us,

Rico (32:22.382)
Hey listen here, okay? Should just say stilling? I should just say stilling.

Mike (32:27.672)
think we need to change it to breaking Rico instead of breaking Keller at this point. Which brings us to our next segment, Keller, it's time for Breaking Keller.

Keller (32:38.734)
Sorry music

Mike (32:42.002)
Today's, by the way Rico, I need some theme music for Breaking Keller. We need to add that in for sure.

Keller, your question of the show of the day is, can you name me the five food groups?

Rico (33:01.456)
coward.

Keller (33:02.222)
groups.

Mike (33:02.786)
Five food groups.

Jeremy (33:04.334)
beef jerky

Mike (33:07.182)
Die, don't do it.

Keller (33:09.622)
Yes. Are my food groups? Because that would be wild. I have not do is at the top.

Mike (33:15.31)
You said fruits fruits is one Vegetables it's no What is a mid-air II Aries three Nope We wheat is is is part of knowledge. No, no

Keller (33:19.544)
Fruit, vegetable,

Keller (33:27.906)
Wait.

Keller (33:37.336)
flower.

Jeremy (33:39.096)
What?

Mike (33:42.958)
You're on the right track, grains, grains. Think bigger, think bigger.

Keller (33:47.106)
Thanks.

Think bigger.

Mike (33:53.462)
You said meat earlier, that's number five, but it's a bigger thing.

Rico (33:58.222)
6.

Mike (34:00.014)
That's in your food, Freeko?

Keller (34:02.19)
Black mermaids.

Thank

Jeremy (34:09.706)
That's suggestive, you fucking weirdo.

Keller (34:12.342)
I, bigger than.

Mike (34:16.098)
What do you get out of meat? What comes out of the meat?

Keller (34:22.638)
Go

Mike (34:23.79)
What is the, what is the dietary protein? There you go.

Veggies, fruits, grains, and dairy.

Keller (34:37.065)
I am this stupid thing.

Rico (34:38.766)
Give it up for

Mike (34:43.737)
He's 140 acres and a mule! Can't wait to see mine!

Keller (34:50.734)
I'll let you have the guest house.

Mike (34:52.73)
Jeremy (34:53.422)
God damn.

Rico (34:54.092)
I just want the meal.

Mike (34:58.184)
man. Well, any hot takes from anybody? Anybody want to close this thing out before we leave it up to Jeremy to take us on out?

Rico (35:10.094)
I once had a bootleg of X-Men, Wolverine Origins, cleanest copy ever. I think it was the rough draft.

Jeremy (35:22.67)
Did your brother steal it?

Rico (35:24.398)
No, no, no, this one was from the porn guy. You saw all the editing before it actually happened. It was before it went to post. And then I had American Gangster clean. I'm talking about I had the cases. I made $80 in like two hours selling those. So it has helped me out a lot.

Keller (35:49.428)
And if you're listening and you're part of the FBI, his address is 9386.

Rico (35:55.662)
9683 you imbecile.

Jeremy (35:58.958)
Whatever we'll put it in the bio, please

Mike (36:02.03)
Like, comment, and subscribe as always. Jeremy, take us out.

Jeremy (36:08.502)
Everyone, remember, clown pussy probably tastes funny. Peace, motherfuckers.

Mike (36:15.416)
Huh?

Jeremy (36:32.782)
you

Mike (36:35.15)
you

you

Mike (36:46.296)
Still Bread podcast is Daniel Keller, Jeremy Pope and Michael Kaliznik recorded live at SMG Studios, a division of SMG Communications. Executive producers, Michael Kaliznik and Tony Skippersen Clark.